Wayne Jacobsen on love beyond performance.

There are moments in life that expose what we really believe. A cancer diagnosis. A fractured relationship. A loss we never saw coming.

In this conversation with Wayne Jacobsen, we talk about what happens when faith moves beyond performance and becomes a lived experience of God's love. Wayne shares deeply personal stories—from surviving a cancer diagnosis to navigating one of the most painful seasons of his 51-year marriage—and reveals how God's presence met him in places where easy answers could not.